Comments on: Emerging Austin? http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/ ...conversation for the Journey... Wed, 05 Oct 2011 14:54:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jimmiekersh http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-941 jimmiekersh Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:29:39 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-941 Tom, You are more like Jesus with me being poor John the Baptist. I am your humble servant and I am unworthy to untie your shoes. BTW that is pretty impressive company there so you better live up to it! Tom,

You are more like Jesus with me being poor John the Baptist. I am your humble servant and I am unworthy to untie your shoes.

BTW that is pretty impressive company there so you better live up to it!

]]> By: scott http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-938 scott Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:51:00 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-938 Sorry, I should have said eschewing <i>other</i> people's labels. Unless, of course, you actually think of yourself as a 'fundamentalist' or a 'conservative'. In that case, you appear to be redefining the labels from their commonly understood connotation in the US today. However many images are involved, we think in words. As such, we inevitably categorize and label ourselves. My suspicion kicks in when others try to apply a label to me. If anything, such an attempt makes me immediately less inclined to accept that label, though I may later change my mind. I mistrust the power games involved in such highly charged labels today as 'conservative', 'liberal', and 'fundamentalist'. The rules-making and othering involved on all sides feels almost painful to me. That's why, in any context, I've long tended to simply say 'independent'. I find it ironic that in the political arena today, 'independents' seem to be the fastest growing group. But mostly I just decline to accept labels others try to impose on me. I can't do a thing about what they think, but I don't need to twist myself into contortions trying to think of myself that way. OK. Now I've gotten waaaaay too serious and introspective for a comment on a 'silly' post. 8) Sorry, I should have said eschewing other people’s labels. Unless, of course, you actually think of yourself as a ‘fundamentalist’ or a ‘conservative’. In that case, you appear to be redefining the labels from their commonly understood connotation in the US today.

However many images are involved, we think in words. As such, we inevitably categorize and label ourselves. My suspicion kicks in when others try to apply a label to me. If anything, such an attempt makes me immediately less inclined to accept that label, though I may later change my mind.

I mistrust the power games involved in such highly charged labels today as ‘conservative’, ‘liberal’, and ‘fundamentalist’. The rules-making and othering involved on all sides feels almost painful to me. That’s why, in any context, I’ve long tended to simply say ‘independent’. I find it ironic that in the political arena today, ‘independents’ seem to be the fastest growing group.

But mostly I just decline to accept labels others try to impose on me. I can’t do a thing about what they think, but I don’t need to twist myself into contortions trying to think of myself that way.

OK. Now I’ve gotten waaaaay too serious and introspective for a comment on a ‘silly’ post. 8)

]]> By: tom cottar http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-936 tom cottar Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:18:11 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-936 Jimmie, Climb in to the octagon, bro. You are my Yoda. I think you could claim the title! Jimmie,
Climb in to the octagon, bro. You are my Yoda. I think you could claim the title!

]]> By: tom cottar http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-935 tom cottar Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:17:09 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-935 Scott, Eschewing labels sounds romantic and noble...like taking off an old shirt. But, since all words have a lexical range, both connotative and denotative, I've not yet been convinced it can be done, given our compartmental nature. Since everything in our existence is defined by the definition of other things (except the self-defining God known as I AM), I'll have to maintain that 'eschewing labels' sounds like 'trading jerseys'... :) So, until then, I'll remain a paradox. Scott,
Eschewing labels sounds romantic and noble…like taking off an old shirt. But, since all words have a lexical range, both connotative and denotative, I’ve not yet been convinced it can be done, given our compartmental nature. Since everything in our existence is defined by the definition of other things (except the self-defining God known as I AM), I’ll have to maintain that ‘eschewing labels’ sounds like ‘trading jerseys’… :)

So, until then, I’ll remain a paradox.

]]> By: jimmiekersh http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-934 jimmiekersh Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:03:53 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-934 Dude, I give you credit for being the most liberal conservative that I know. I also think I would like to challenge for the title, but I forget I am just a follower of you, the Master. With my most humbke acceptance of you being my leader, take me somewhere! Dude,

I give you credit for being the most liberal conservative that I know. I also think I would like to challenge for the title, but I forget I am just a follower of you, the Master. With my most humbke acceptance of you being my leader, take me somewhere!

]]> By: scott http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-933 scott Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:06:37 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-933 It's only a problem because you have not yet eschewed labels and categories like 'fundamentalist' or 'conservative' or 'liberal'. 'Independent' is as close as I come to adopting those sorts of labels and that only because it drives people crazy if you don't pick a box to live in. ;-) I am looking forward to the conference, though! However, I looked at the speaker list and it appears that TSK will only be at the Minneapolis one and Mark Driscoll will only be at the Seattle one, just as Scot McKnight will only be at the Austin one. We will get Dan Kimball, Doug Pagitt, John Burke (from the host church), and someone else. Forget who off the top of my head. It’s only a problem because you have not yet eschewed labels and categories like ‘fundamentalist’ or ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’. ‘Independent’ is as close as I come to adopting those sorts of labels and that only because it drives people crazy if you don’t pick a box to live in. ;-)

I am looking forward to the conference, though! However, I looked at the speaker list and it appears that TSK will only be at the Minneapolis one and Mark Driscoll will only be at the Seattle one, just as Scot McKnight will only be at the Austin one. We will get Dan Kimball, Doug Pagitt, John Burke (from the host church), and someone else. Forget who off the top of my head.

]]> By: Dana Loran http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-930 Dana Loran Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:09:53 +0000 http://www.tomcottar.org/2007/03/07/emerging-austin/#comment-930 Sounds Hott. I need to borrow your copy of Organic Church. Sounds Hott.

I need to borrow your copy of Organic Church.

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